This individual is using HG to play a game and generate attention for themselves on the Internet.
“My sister was 12 but not chosen, She was the most popular girl in school and did not fit into the ody role as well as i did with my weird short hair and Star Trek obsession. They spent two years isolating and brain washing me. I did believe some of what they said I just refused to pledge when asked I said “I need to think about it” and never ever ever went back. I spent the next 16 years wondering until I found out the truth”.
She claims that they “spent two years…brain washing me” but she never gives any specific dates or places where any of the supposed “brain washing” happened. After numerous exchanges with this woman she now states that she was at “one meeting” but hasn’t given any date or place. She hasn’t explained how “two years” of “brainwashing” happened at “one meeting”.
“Heavens gate cult in the late 90s targeted me because I was obsessed with Star Trek. My best friend growing up, her family was part of it. I spent almost two years with them Before I was brought to a meeting. It was fucking scary as hell. They all killed themselves a few years after. No one believed me for 16 years. That part fucked with me the most”.
So far this individual hasn’t offered many specifics about their supposed experience, just this late 90s vagueness. So, they “targeted” her in the late 90s and she “spent almost two years with them” but then they “killed themselves a few years later”? If they “targeted” her in the late 90s, and she then “spent two years with them before I was brought to a meeting” and they then “killed themselves a few years later”, well then we have a math problem considering that the class left in late March of 1997.
On reddit this individual called members of the class “pedos” and called me a “pedo” when I accused her of lying about all of this. Children were not allowed in the group so her claim that she was “targeted” by the group when she was ten years old is highly suspicious. She also claims that the group was using “ody” names when she encountered them. Ody names were only used within the class. At the meeting that I went to in Madison, WI on July 23, 1994 there was no “log book” that I signed into ( another claim by this person) nor were ody names used. They called themselves Oliver, Check, Matt, Aaron, Iris, Sue etc. I didn’t learn about the ody names until I actually joined up with the class near Worcester, Mass. three weeks later. Do talked about the ody names in Do’s Final Exit and how they were something that was being revealed to the public for the first time.
This all got started because this individual posted on reddit under the topic, “Holy fuck, I’m in a cult”. They are very rambling and misleading in that they seem to be saying that they were “in the cult” but now she seems to have back-pedaled and is actually saying that she went to ONE MEETING but she has yet to reveal where or when this meeting was, she just vaguely claimed that she was “targeted in the late 90s” by the “Heaven’s Gate cult”. If she knows how old she was when all of this supposedly happened she can easily start giving us some more specific dates than the “late 90s”. The last public meetings were held in mid-August of 1994 so her claim of the “late 90s” is highly suspect like everything that she states.
“I just refused to pledge when asked”. There were no “pledges” that were “asked”. I went to a follow up meeting in Madison on July 23, ’94 and was repeatedly asked if this was what I wanted to do. There was no such thing as a “pledge”.
If this individual was supposedly around ten years old when they went to this “meeting” we have to ask, “where were their parents”? She’s not exactly clear who she went to the meeting with, supposedly some “family” that was allegedly associated with HG. And she claims to have “photos” with the “cult” but has provided none. And she cites the “log book” as “proof” of her being “in” the group but she hasn’t really explained where this log book is, how and if she obtained it and how it is going to prove anything about her story.
The woman continued her exchanges with me and claimed she would have answered my questions if I hadn’t “spam attacked” her and then said she’d “report” me and that she’d “call the police” if I didn’t stop “harassing” her. The only specific she ever gave in her story was the “late 90s”. The class moved into the Rancho Santa Fe house sometime in late 1996. People who worked with them in that area were interviewed. No one ever described anything like this person on reddit did. The redditer never mentioned the Rancho Santa Fe property. Something about a “dirty room” with “a bunch of chairs” that was supposedly a “church” but always vague descriptions and never site specific. There’s a claim that a “best friend growing up” had a “family that was a part of it” but this is hard to reconcile because families didn’t join as a unit. There were individuals who did have familial relations who did join but it was as individuals and of course, there were no children in the group. The only exception is an individual RKK told me about who had a vehicle that was either sixteen or seventeen when she went on the road during the first wave in 1975 and she stayed for five years.
The redditer never says anything that anyone else has ever reported about their encounters with the class whether they were part of the class or not. You can read books by scholars about them and there won’t be anything like this person describes. Oh, and she of course told me that I was “still brainwashed” but her brain still couldn’t say much of anything specific or coherent about her experience, just that I “didn’t know” what she had been “put through by hgc”. No, I don’t, and neither do you because they never put you “through anything”.
It’s interesting that this individual never came forward before now. They have a story that is like no other when it comes to the class and yet they decided to keep it to themselves until seeing the recent reddit post titled, “holy fuck, I’m in a cult”?! There was some weird stuff in her original post about how she supposedly didn’t watch the news when the “mass suicide” happened in 1997 and how she didn’t realize all of this until watching some history channel doc at some point. The whole thing sounds like a contrived excuse just for the eventuality that someone would ask her why she never came forward before.
Also, there’s this, “No one believed me for 16 years. That part fucked with me the most”. This also feels to me like a planned defense in case she is asked why no one has heard this story before. See, she tried to tell it but poor her, “no one believed” her, now get out your digital hankies and weep for this poor, misunderstood soul who was so “fucked with” because no one “believed” her incredible story. Of course this “woman” may not even be a woman, it could be a fifteen-year old boy or a thirty-year old man hanging out in their parent’s basement having fun messing with redditers. I dare say it probably would not be the first time.
And speaking of parents she brings up her “mom” a couple of times, something about screaming at her mom when she was watching the History Channel doc because she realized that “Applewood” was the same guy from the video that some “older scary women” had her watch when she went to the “meeting”, the one in the “late 90s”. This also feels like part of a planned defense. See, she never even realized any of this because she had PTSD and when she saw “Applewood” on the TV screen it brought all of that horrible trauma back and after “16 years wondering” she finally “found the truth”.
So, where was “mom” when her daughter was “being targeted” by this “cult” of “pedos”? Conveniently neither this woman nor her “mom” realized that this “cult of pedos” was the HG group that committed “mass suicide” in 1997 and it took viewing a History Channel Doc “16 years” later to put all of the pieces together. Sixteen years after 1997 would be 2013. Did she realize all of this five years ago but never said a peep until now on reddit? She’s known the “truth” about these “pedos” for five years but she never told the story on the Internet until now?
The “woman” claims that, “My sister was 12 but not chosen, She was the most popular girl in school and did not fit into the ody role as well as i did with my weird short hair and Star Trek obsession”. So, where and when did the “sister” encounter the class? If the “sister” was “not chosen”, how did that work exactly? Did members of the class tell her she was “not chosen”? Where? At a “meeting”? Did the “sister” ever tell the “mom” about not being “chosen”? Did “mom” ever call the police or maybe the F.B.I. about the “cult” that was “targeting” her daughters? Why haven’t we ever heard the story from this “mom” and “sister” before? Are they ready to come forward now? I’ve had filmmakers contact me recently who wanted to do an interview. I bet they’d like to hear from this woman and her Mom and sister. Mom watched a documentary with her daughter that caused her daughter to go into a PTSD induced screaming fit but “mom” has never been compelled to come forward with this amazingly unique story about one of the most notorious “cults” in history?! It must have been very difficult to keep that bottled up for all these years. Thank goodness that reddit gives us a platform to expose all of this. She also accused me of using a “throw away” which I don’t even really understand. Some reddit thing about throw away accounts.
If, big if, there is any truth to any of her rambling allegations then maybe, maybe it’s possible that she may be confusing some kind of interactions with some individuals who may have been part of the group at one time but were not anymore or maybe for some reason they were individuals who were posing as HG? The latter is highly unlikely I know.
She discusses this “family” of her best friend that she spent two years with before they “brought her to a meeting”, a meeting that she still won’t state where and when it was. In any case if there was a “family” with children then they were definitely not in the class. Any “brainwashing” done by this “family” would have been done on their own initiative and wouldn’t have come from the class. She’s never specific about which members of this “family” had been in the class.
After the public meetings were over in 1994 only two new members that I know of were allowed into the class. Stephen Hill who left after about two months and DVVODY who had been his wife prior to their joining. It was well publicized that they left their five CHILDREN with family and friends in Cincinnati. They found the class online, not at a meeting.
So, by her own admission it was this family of the best friend who did the brainwashing and they are the ones who supposedly brought her to the meeting where she was shown a video and signed in and out of a log book. There’s no evidence of any public meetings after Aug. of 1994 and the meetings we had in the class were for the class only. This ten-year old child would have never been brought to an internal class meeting. Even if any of this is true being “in the Heaven’s Gate cult” is far, far different than living near some ex-members of the class and going to one meeting where you watch a video.
I’ve done a tiny bit of investigation and I’ve found the woman who was making the reddit posts; she has an instagram (https://www.instagram.com/mtheorye/) and an e-mail (http://www.mnartists.org/jessicawebb) that use her unique reddit handle and there’s even an article in a local paper about her (http://www.citypages.com/news/congratulations-minnesotans-you-live-in-a-place-where-windshield-fluid-freezes/469963173). As of this past January she was described in the article as an artist based in a Midwestern city. According to the article the woman moved to Minnesota from California with her family in 1991, the same state she was living in this past January. This is a state that the class never lived in or even remotely close to although they did do two public meetings there in 1994. The woman stated in the article that she “did not grow up here” in reference to Minnesota. Based on her statements on reddit she seemed to be saying that she was about ten in the “late 90s” when she was “targeted by Heaven’s Gate” so that would have meant that she was about five years old in 1991. I don’t know many people who would consider living somewhere since they were five years old as a place they “did not grow up in”. If she didn’t grow up there then even if we’re really conservative and say she was ten in 1991 it means she was a teenager in the late 90s and it completely destroys her already sketchy timeline of being ten when she was “targeted”. As yet I haven’t found a DOB so I can’t quite determine her age but it’s probably moot as she never gave any specific dates for her experiences and that was obviously for a reason. Not that I didn’t already know that she was lying but it was nice to find this article that gave a year for her move with her family to a state that she “did not grow up in”. This woman is either incredibly stupid or incredibly unbalanced or some toxic combination of the two. Here’s where I out her on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Heavensgate/comments/a1p600/mtheoryes_lies_about_being_targeted_by_heavens/ She shouldn’t have called my friends a “bunch of pedos” and she has some serious karmic reckoning coming.
It’s quite clear that reddit was a mistake and these blogs may mostly be a mistake too. And it’s a mistake for me to think that if individuals are confronted with their lies that they will own up to them. This individual has some serious issues with needing attention or maybe they have a loathing for the class and they don’t even have a reason, they’re just compelled, almost by an unseen force, to loathe the group and they’re willing to make up a bunch of lies to justify that hate. Who knows? Maybe they’re someone who has played games with me online before, back for more shenanigans. The Internet, for the most part, is used for some pretty awful and deceitful purposes because everyone gets to hide and make up whatever they want to. At some point, maybe when this civilization is recycled, maybe not, individuals won’t be able to hide from what they’ve said and done. I hope that humanity is ready for its judgment because it will come eventually.