Sawyer thinks that his experience is as important as the information that was left behind by the class (Heaven’s Gate)

I am fairly certain that Sawyer will deny the claim that I make in the title of this post. However, Sawyer has yet ( as far as I have observed) to qualify what he states about Ti, Do, the class and the Next Level by explaining that the most accurate information about all of these things is contained in the volumes of writings and audio tapes that were left behind by the group with very specific instructions to “disseminate” them. I’ve already pointed out how Sawyer has downplayed that the bulk of the audio tapes are being suppressed by TELAH by claiming (as if he is somehow the authority here) that “we have all the information that we need”. And I’ve also pointed out that in that context then Sawyer must think that his book, blog posts and litany of livestreams are more important and information that “we need” as he continues to put them out there with his claim that all that he does is “in service” to Ti, Do and the Next Level.

I’ve also pointed out how Sawyer has claimed that the book put out by the class may be too hard to “digest” so thankfully we have his book. I am not making any of this up. And I don’t feel that I’m taking any of this out of context. If Sawyer doesn’t want to be held accountable for the numerous things that he can’t keep his ever-flapping mouth shut about then maybe he should think a little bit more before he opens his yap. He can’t even state that “it all came from Ti and Do” without saying in the same sentence, “but I also got from experience”.

Compare Sawyer equating his “experience” to what “came from Ti and Do” to STM’s writing in the HG Book,  “From experience, I have realized that this vehicle’s objectivity is not “worth a toot” and that trusting its judgment, opinion, or memory doesn’t work (isn’t accurate). My Older Members taught me everything worth knowing, including how to remain open and flexible. I am totally dependent on them for everything and am better off because of it. I am lost without them”

Nowhere does STMODY equate his “experience” with what he was taught by Ti and Do. In fact, he is saying that his “experience” has taught him that his experience “is not worth a toot”. And yet Sawyer can’t seem to stop tooting his experience. How many dozens of times has Sawyer brought up his “nineteen years of fully dedicated service” in the class? And why does he have to keep bringing it up? What’s more important, the information that the class left behind or Sawyer’s former “service” to the class?

How many times has Sawyer made plugs for his own book and blogs and livestreams in the same breath where he mentions Ti and Do’s information? How many times has Sawyer said that he is “lost without Ti and Do”? How many times has he said that the information left behind by the class is paramount?

As I’ve said innumerable times the onus is on Sawyer and his naive followers to prove (using the actual words of Ti and Do and the class) that Sawyer’s “experience” is as important as the information that Ti and Do left behind. The above quote from STMODY does not lend a shred of credibility to Sawyer’s claims about his “experience” being even worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence as what Ti and Do taught.

For daring to point these things out Sawyer has accused me of having a “self-righteous vendetta” and he seems to act like any attack on what he is doing is somehow an attack on Ti, Do and the class. Once, many years ago I told Sawyer that I was done with him (yes, I am a hypocrite as I clearly was not done with him) and his response was something to the effect of, “don’t give up on Ti and Do’. The sheer ignorance and arrogance of what he said still astounds me. In his self-absorbed mind, since I was telling him I was tired of him, then apparently I must be tired of Ti and Do. He will probably deny this and tell me to “be specific” because he can’t seem ti remember at least half of what he says.

Sawyer and his followers have yet to offer one shred of proof from Ti, Do and the class to support Sawyer’s claims that what he is doing is in “service” to the Next Level. Sawyer’s dreams are not proof.

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Sawyer’s claims that he is an “active student” of Ti and Do

As I’ve already pointed out on more than one occasion Sawyer has described himself as an “active student” of Ti and Do. He is doing this because there is a line in the HG Book that talks about connecting with an “active student” of Ti and Do. This was written in 1996 when there were dozens of active students of Do still on the planet.

I’ve also already pointed out how only one individual was described as being a “current” classroom member in the letters that the class sent to former members of the class. That person was OSC. Rio Diangelo and Mark and Sarah King of TELAH were specifically described as “former classmembers” who had “left” the class for “personal reasons”. Rio called himself the “sole surviving member” and TELAH has claimed in interviews that there are four “surviving” members of the group left including themselves.

I see little difference between Rio and TELAH’s claims and Sawyer’s statements about how he is an “active student” and that all that he does (the blog, livestreams etc.) is in “service” to Ti and Do and the Next Level. All of these individuals have repeatedly demonstrated that their primary focus is getting recognition for the things that they claim that they are doing for Ti and Do. In his livestreams Sawyer will repeatedly direct people to his blog for Ti and Do’s information. An individual asked him about a Ti and Do quote and instead of directing them to heavensgate.com, where the ’88 Update that the quote was taken from has been online for over twenty two years, Sawyer directs them to his personal blog. When individuals have asked him about the audio tapes made by Ti, Do and the class Sawyer directs them to his livestreams of Ti and Do’s audio. These livestreams are often more than half-filled with Sawyer talking for hours before he even plays the audios made by the class. Instead of directing individuals to a file sharing site where the audio tapes have been for well over a decade he tells people to e-mail him personally so he can send them the files. As I’ve stated repeatedly Sawyer did nothing to preserve the audio tapes even though RKK asked him for help and Sawyer has claimed that the remaining majority of the tapes that are being suppressed by TELAH are not “information that we need”. And yes, I’ve pointed out that if he feels that way then by his own actions his blog, book, livestreams etc. are information that we “need” because he keeps telling us that it’s all “in service” to Ti and Do and in fact his book may even be easier “to digest” than the book that the class wrote.

Sawyer may again accuse me of “making up lies” or taking this “out of context”. He seems to be very good at making up very long-winded justifications for everything that he’s doing as being part of his “mission” and “service” for Ti and Do.

I’ve also pointed out how Sawyer faulted RKK for giving the tapes to Mark and claimed that if he “were RKKODY” he would have done it differently. Except Sawyer was busy with his partner and baby while RKKODY was attempting to leave this world to follow Do so I do believe that Sawyer is a disgusting and cowardly hypocrite for questioning what RKK did over twenty years ago, especially when RKK isn’t even here to defend himself.

RKK spent some of his own money and he and I both spent a fair amount of time on preserving the audio tapes. I am NOT saying this because I want some kind of recognition for this. I’m saying this because we didn’t preserve and distribute the class’ materials ( as was their desire ) so Sawyer could come along twenty years later and add hours of personal commentary when he plays the tapes during his livestreams.

TELAH, Rio and Sawyer seem to me to be most interested in praising themselves and wanting recognition for all the things that they claim that they are doing for Ti and Do. Rio has dropped out of the public eye for over a decade so perhaps he has changed his egotistical attitude. There is NOTHING in ANY of the materials that the class left behind to support TELAH’s claims that they are the “surviving” members of the class. There is NOTHING in anything that the class left behind that supports Sawyer’s claims that he is here on a “task” for Ti and Do. I have repeatedly asked for proof from the actual words of the class to support TELAH’s and Sawyer’s claims. Sawyer has claimed that his “task” was given to him in a dream. His dreams are his dreams, they are NOT the information that the class left behind.

I have nothing to prove. Like I’ve said before, most of this blog shouldn’t exist. TELAH should have released all of the tapes over twenty years ago. The HG Book should not have been copyrighted. Sawyer should stop deluding his followers with his garbage about how his book is so important that it’s mentioned in Revelation. Sawyer has accused me of being self-righteous and yet he is the one who repeatedly brings up his “19 years of fully dedicated service”, this exact phrase has appeared dozens and dozens of times in the things that he writes. He claims all that he does is in the name of Ti and Do. How can he be so sure of this and why are individuals looking to him for Ti and Do’s information?

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Allegiance to Ti and Do is NOT based on listening to Sawyer or any former members of the group known as Heaven’s Gate

Rio Diangelo, Mark and Sarah King of TELAH and Sawyer have all presented themselves to the public as being individuals who should be listened to when it comes to the group known as the Heaven’s Gate cult. Both Rio and Sawyer have pushed their own books onto the public. Mark and Sarah King have given interviews in which they claim that they are the surviving members of the group.

Over twenty-two years after the group has gone and TELAH is still suppressing the majority of the audio tapes produced by the group. Sawyer is still claiming that Ti and Do gave him a “task” in a dream and he continues to attract followers who insist that he is “acting on the mind of Ti and Do”. Rio still hasn’t retracted his claims that he was the “sole surviving member” or that he was left behind to “clarify” Ti and Do’s information.

These individuals have demonstrated time and again that they are more interested in having themselves heard than they are in distributing the class’ information. Neither TELAH nor Rio have ever shown ANY proof from the class themselves to back up any of their claims. Sawyer constantly touts his “experience” and often mentions it in the same sentence as Ti and Do’s information.

Ironically, these individuals who have claimed that they are here on some sort of special “task” for Ti and Do and the Next Level are actually being used to suppress, distort, dilute and corrupt Ti and Do’s information. Sawyer has attracted followers who have confused defending Ti, Do and the class with defending Sawyer. They have fallen for Sawyer’s claim that he is an “active student” of Ti and Do. I had said nothing but nice words of thanks to an individual who had transcribed some of the audio tapes made by the class but she decided to find fault with me for daring to question all of Sawyer’s numerous claims.  Many of these individuals are focusing on Sawyer and falling for his claims that his livestreams, book and on and on are in “service” to Ti and Do.

 

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Sawyer cannot stop equating what he’s doing with Ti and Do’s Information

From Sawyer’s most recent livestream,

“I wish everybody that wants all Ti and Do’s information could have it, in all forms, like the way I’m doing it right now, right now I’m going through the records, the history of the Next Level’s interactions with the human kingdom, even though it’s archaic and outdated it still shows the characteristics of what Ti and Do were teaching”.

This most recent livetstream was 4.5 hours of Sawyer talking. I listened to a couple of minutes of it around the three hour mark to hear the preceding. The class included several Bible quotes in the HG Book. Do recommended that individuals read the red letter editions of the four gospels that highlight what Jesus actually said. When I was in the class TRSODY told me that the Book of James was one that the class liked if I’m remembering it correctly. Individuals can read these things on their own and don’t need to hear someone talk about the Bible for four and a half hours. I don’t remember us ever even talking about Revelation but I could be wrong and I was only in the class for three months.

Again in the preceding Sawyer mentions what “I’m doing right now” right after he mentions Ti and Do’s information. Sawyer’s livestreams are NOT Ti and Do’s information, they are Sawyer’s information. Ti and Do’s information is-as I’ve exhaustively demonstrated-contained in the audio tapes, the HG Book and the video tapes that the class very specifically and deliberately left behind. Sawyer’s livestreams are NOT a “form” of Ti and Do’s information despite what he claims. Previously he has described the suppressed audio tapes as being information that we don’t “need” because Sawyer has appointed himself the arbiter of all things related to Heaven’s Gate due to his “19 years of fully dedicated service”. Sawyer has demonstrated time and again that his primary interest is in having individuals listen to him and his “experience” about being in the class. He has repeatedly equated that “experience” with the actual teachings of Ti and Do.

Read the transcripts of the Beyond Human series if you want to hear “Ti and Do’s information”. Listen to the audio tapes of Ti and Do instructing the students of the class. Read the HG Book. Go to heavensgate.com. Does Sawyer really want “all Ti and Do’s information” to be available? If he did then why did he claim that we “have all the information we need” in regards to the twelve years of suppressed audio tapes made by the class? Why are individuals religiously listening to an individual who habitually contradicts himself and who talks about penis sizes on his livestreams? Why are individuals so naive as to think that Sawyer was given a “task” by Ti and Do in his dreams? Why are individuals so naive as to think that what he is doing is even worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence as “Ti and Do’s information”?

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Sawyer’s Followers are NOT following Ti and Do

Keep going! We need to learn what your teachers passed down lol

JayThere is absolutely no one else doing what you’re doing and there’s a decent group of us that watch every time you live stream (plus the others who miss it and catch up on your post-stream)
The above are from another of Sawyer’s followers. Apparently this individual is confused as to what has been “passed down” by Ti and Do. They very purposefully and deliberately “passed down” Their information in the form of a book, video tapes, audio tapes and other materials that were produced while the class was here. Interestingly, Rio Diangelo once claimed in Rio’s Statement in LA Weekly that the information “needed to be passed down in it’s most true and acccurate form by ME” (emphasis Rio’s). There is NOTHING in any of the information that the class left behind that states that Ti and Do were “pass(ing) down” Their information through one of Their dropouts. And before I again get accused of thinking that I’m “superior” I am also a dropout as are Rio Diangelo, TELAH and anyone else still here who was in HG.
By claiming that “no one (is) doing what you’re doing” this individual seems to be echoing another person who once called Sawyer the “best former member” of the group as if there is some kind of competition going on between former members of the group known as HG. Maybe instead of kissing up to Sawyer we should be focusing on how Ti, Do and the class did things that no one else has done in this civilization. Maybe instead of Sawyer’s livestreams let’s focus on the fact that had RKK and OSC not had the courage to go to the storage locker in San Diego we probably wouldn’t have any of the audio tapes of Ti and Do to listen to nor would Sawyer be able to play them for his audience while offering his seemingly never-ending commentaries.
Sawyer is largely responsible for the ignorance of his followers as he encourages them to follow him with his numerous claims that he is on a “task” for Ti and Do and that his book is easier to “digest” than the book that the class wrote and that his book is the “little book” mentioned in Revelation and on and on.
The burden is on Sawyer and his followers to prove, using the actual words of Ti, Do and the class, that They are passing down Their information through individuals who have chosen to stay here for individual reasons. Things that Sawyer claims that he is getting in “dreams and premonitions” from Ti and Do are not proof.
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Sawyer’s claims of contacts with Ti and Do

“I’ve pushed past my fears of getting reinvolved which took years and began to be public with my experiences for the last 10 years, escalating more and more with a number of what I feel are contacts from Ti and from Do and from various classmates in dreams and in a sense of a open phone line and in theory I’m prepared to lose my life to this task, (though I doubt anyone takes it seriously enough to want to do away with the likes of me), yet at the same time I know I can offer Do more but feel for the moment I’m still doing what he’d have me do. But I’m very clear that in the not too distant future some major changes will take place that will make the 9/11 attack that brought endlenss (sic)war with no tangible enemy (the red horse) and endless financial crisis weights and balancing (the black horse) that will make it very unwise to be seen as soliciting new cult members (which I am not, but that’s never believed fully by those who know nothing about Ti and Do’s efforts), yet I must continue and when the internet becomes too restrictive in so doing (if that is what takes place eventually) then I know I must go on the road with the information, even church to church which can sound like a noble effort to some and to me in times past – you know that martyr/zealot syndrome that I don’t want to do, but I would not be able to just live out my vehicles days keeping what I know about Ti and Do bottled up”.

When I initially called Sawyer out for his claim of “contacts” with Ti and Do and the “open phone line” statement Sawyer told me that I was mistaking something he said that Rio said and he also said that I was “making up lies” about him and that I “owed Ti and Do” for making up these “lies”. Later when I showed him where he had made these statements he said that I had “taken it out of context”. This is a pattern with Sawyer. I have already pointed out multiple times that he’s said things that he later denied. Apparently I need to document everything that he says because he seems to have a bad memory and keep track of what he’s said. Perhaps he says too much but since he insists that he’s on a “task” for Ti and Do he just can’t keep it all “bottled up”. After ten plus years of not “keeping what I know about Ti and Do bottled up” he has now started to play some of the audio tapes that the class made but he always seems to talk for two hours before he even plays the tapes. Prior to this the one tape that I remember him playing was years ago with his flute music overlaying it. He claims that “Ti approves” of his use of music.

Often actions speak louder than words and words are used to manipulate our perceptions. As I’ve said many, many times just because Sawyer says that Ti and Do and the Next Level “approve” of what he is doing and that he is on a “task” for the Next Level DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE. How much time has Sawyer spent on giving his take on what Ti and Do taught vs. drawing attention to the information that was left behind by Do and the class? The same with Rio. Rio never once mentioned the audio tapes but would plug his book in interviews. I never heard Rio say that the HG Book was a better source of information about Ti, Do and the class than his book was. I’ve already pointed out how Sawyer thinks that his book may be easier to “digest” for some than the HG Book.

“Any information and experience I pass on should only be part of what any beleiver (sic) considers as a potential answer to some of their questions to Ti and Do”-Sawyer

So, Sawyer is stating right here that “questions to Ti and Do” are something that he can answer, at least in “part”. Compare that to “Help is available if you direct your asking with all of your heart, all of your soul, and all of your mind to the highest source you can imagine. And as a safeguard to the many counterfeits, we recommend that you project your thoughts outside not only the atmosphere of this planet, but beyond the nearby heavens, that is, outside the realm in which the human-equivalent space aliens are permitted to circulate. And as it has been given, “as ye ask, ye shall receive.” Just be sure you direct your asking to the right source – to the One responsible for creating you – the One responsible for the nurturing of this planet and all that exists upon it. Good luck – the ones against such effort are extremely cunning!”-JWNODY  Religions are Humans #1 Killers of Souls.

Or, “If you care to speak to me in your thoughts, I answer to “Do” (pronounced Doe)”.-95 Statement

Or,

“If you know you’re ready to act upon this information, then I hope you will choose wisely and ask frequently for help from the Next Level on how to best proceed”.-DRRODY

There’s nothing in any of the information that the class left behind to support Sawyer’s claim that his “information and experience” is something that can be a “part of what any beleiver (sic) considers as a potential answer to some of their questions to Ti and Do”. Sawyer has repeatedly touted his “experience” in the class and his “19 years of fully dedicated service”. I’ve always maintained that if individuals want to know what the HG group was about they need to look at the information that the class left behind and not listen to any of us dropouts. For calling Sawyer a dropout I get accused by his followers of thinking that I’m “superior”.

Sawyer has been conned into thinking that he is on a “task for Ti and Do” and he has conned many others into believing this. Sawyer claims that instructions from the Next Level in “dreams” have given him this “task”. His experiences are the only thing that he offers as proof of what he says. If you are truly interested in what Ti and Do taught are you going to trust what Sawyer’s dreams tell him or are you going to trust what Ti and Do and the class actually said in the information that They left behind? Information that they drew attention to and wanted disseminated.

 

 

 

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Sawyer’s faulty memory about the September 1994 meeting in San Clemente

Sawyer has claimed the following,

“I was with them until September of 1994 when we had a meeting with even the new members of the group that had been gathered during that 2nd public meeting offering (after 17 years living in seclusion – “overcoming our human behaviors and ways”, which was after the first public meeting spree that also lasted for 9 months) where Do described in detail a plan to self exit by drinking a barbituate (sic) mixture that would essentially put our vehicles to permenant sleep, as it says in:

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome ((to subdue)) them, and kill ((apokteino= seperate by dying) them ((auto= themselves)).

At that meeting with Do in the San Clemente warehouse in September of 1994 He did ask each student, one by one, older and newer if they had any reservations as the first posters we used for the meetings said nothing about that kind of exit and there never was anything snuck (sic) up on anyone in my 19 years in the group. As it turned out a few did have reservations so Do asked what they wanted to do and they then wanted to leave the group and Do had “pursers” give them money and a train, bus or airplane ticket to wherever they wanted to go”

I was at this same meeting. I have no memory of “Do describ(ing) in detail a plan to self exit by drinking…..”. I remember Do asking us if we were willing to take the step of voluntarily leaving our vehicles but I do not remember any specifics of how that would be done being discussed. The meeting was probably recorded so if MRC/SRF would ever release the audio tapes we could verify what Do actually said. Also, I dispute the following claim from Sawyer, “As it turned out a few did have reservations so Do asked what they wanted to do and they then wanted to leave the group and Do had “pursers” give them money and a train, bus or airplane ticket to wherever they wanted to go”.

SKKODY in particular expressed having problems with the idea of leaving the vehicle voluntarily. I do not remember anyone else saying that they had issues with it. I do remember one other individual, NNRODY, crying at the meeting but he was expressing that he felt that he had disappointed his human family and I don’t remember him saying that he had specific problems with exiting the vehicle voluntarily. NNRODY stayed in the class until sometime after I left in early November of 1994.

SKKODY stayed in the class for at least a couple of days and I do remember that he seemed troubled and distracted. No one said at that meeting that they “wanted to leave the group and Do had pursers give them money and a……”. What actually happened was related to me at the time by others in the class. SKKODY was upset and took off running down the street, some others ran after him and tried to give him some money so he would at least have some funds. I was told that SKKODY said that he didn’t want to take the money because he didn’t want “to be a Judas”. I specifically remember that his bag and his clothes were left at the warehouse. He left a message on a phone that the class used and it was played for us. He was very upset, crying and somewhat hard to understand. I specifically remember Do being on speaker phone talking to us and saying that “SKKODY is out of control”. I don’t know if he was given a bus ticket but I am fairly certain that he was not asked at the meeting if he wanted to leave the class and he was not given money by pursers at Do’s instruction at the meeting.

ARRODY left the class after SKKODY and also from the San Clemente warehouse and I was told that he left because he had felt “guilt” over his vehicle’s spouse who apparently had physical health problems. I do not remember ARRODY expressing any issues at the meeting concerning voluntarily leaving our vehicle’s. The only other person who left the class from the San Clemente warehouse was Sawyer. There was no “few” who expressed “reservations” at that meeting, there was only SKKODY the way I remember it and Do did not have pursers give those “few (interesting that Sawyer is vague and doesn’t say anyone specific, just a few) a money and a bus, train or plane ticket” immediately after that meeting.

 

 

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