Sawyer’s faulty memory about the September 1994 meeting in San Clemente

Sawyer has claimed the following,

“I was with them until September of 1994 when we had a meeting with even the new members of the group that had been gathered during that 2nd public meeting offering (after 17 years living in seclusion – “overcoming our human behaviors and ways”, which was after the first public meeting spree that also lasted for 9 months) where Do described in detail a plan to self exit by drinking a barbituate (sic) mixture that would essentially put our vehicles to permenant sleep, as it says in:

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome ((to subdue)) them, and kill ((apokteino= seperate by dying) them ((auto= themselves)).

At that meeting with Do in the San Clemente warehouse in September of 1994 He did ask each student, one by one, older and newer if they had any reservations as the first posters we used for the meetings said nothing about that kind of exit and there never was anything snuck (sic) up on anyone in my 19 years in the group. As it turned out a few did have reservations so Do asked what they wanted to do and they then wanted to leave the group and Do had “pursers” give them money and a train, bus or airplane ticket to wherever they wanted to go”

I was at this same meeting. I have no memory of “Do describ(ing) in detail a plan to self exit by drinking…..”. I remember Do asking us if we were willing to take the step of voluntarily leaving our vehicles but I do not remember any specifics of how that would be done being discussed. The meeting was probably recorded so if MRC/SRF would ever release the audio tapes we could verify what Do actually said. Also, I dispute the following claim from Sawyer, “As it turned out a few did have reservations so Do asked what they wanted to do and they then wanted to leave the group and Do had “pursers” give them money and a train, bus or airplane ticket to wherever they wanted to go”.

SKKODY in particular expressed having problems with the idea of leaving the vehicle voluntarily. I do not remember anyone else saying that they had issues with it. I do remember one other individual, NNRODY, crying at the meeting but he was expressing that he felt that he had disappointed his human family and I don’t remember him saying that he had specific problems with exiting the vehicle voluntarily. NNRODY stayed in the class until sometime after I left in early November of 1994.

SKKODY stayed in the class for at least a couple of days and I do remember that he seemed troubled and distracted. No one said at that meeting that they “wanted to leave the group and Do had pursers give them money and a……”. What actually happened was related to me at the time by others in the class. SKKODY was upset and took off running down the street, some others ran after him and tried to give him some money so he would at least have some funds. I was told that SKKODY said that he didn’t want to take the money because he didn’t want “to be a Judas”. I specifically remember that his bag and his clothes were left at the warehouse. He left a message on a phone that the class used and it was played for us. He was very upset, crying and somewhat hard to understand. I specifically remember Do being on speaker phone talking to us and saying that “SKKODY is out of control”. I don’t know if he was given a bus ticket but I am fairly certain that he was not asked at the meeting if he wanted to leave the class and he was not given money by pursers at Do’s instruction at the meeting.

ARRODY left the class after SKKODY and also from the San Clemente warehouse and I was told that he left because he had felt “guilt” over his vehicle’s spouse who apparently had physical health problems. I do not remember ARRODY expressing any issues at the meeting concerning voluntarily leaving our vehicle’s. The only other person who left the class from the San Clemente warehouse was Sawyer. There was no “few” who expressed “reservations” at that meeting, there was only SKKODY the way I remember it and Do did not have pursers give those “few (interesting that Sawyer is vague and doesn’t say anyone specific, just a few) a money and a bus, train or plane ticket” immediately after that meeting.

 

 

About crlody

a former student of Ti and Do
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2 Responses to Sawyer’s faulty memory about the September 1994 meeting in San Clemente

  1. The version of this story that I read said that the group was camping out in the warehouse and being paid to review camping equipment. It said that Do had a group meeting and brought up the concept of abandoning their human vehicles, if necessary, to travel to the Next Level. It said that Do purposely went down the line and asked each person if they had a problem with taking their vehicles life and that each person had to answer out loud in front of the group and that Do did this to put folks on the spot of not wanting to go against the group publicly. Kind of like a public shaming would prevent anyone stating their hesitation.

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